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Melody Cross · Oct 08, 2007, 07:57 PM // 19:57

Methinks someone read a little too much intot he GWP AoE nerf Chris. Most skill balances are to address PvP issues in PvP areas. because of this fact, most players look at skill balance from a PvP point of view.

@glountz: I suggested a 5/.25/10 recycle for HH some time ago, with a reduced uptime to 5 as compensation to prevent farm abuse. Players seemed to think it would be too powerful.

Tiyuri · Oct 08, 2007, 10:39 PM // 22:39

Ok, so I don't understand this thread.

The OP says he hasn't played TA since boon prots, and doesn't like RA being part of a balance discussion, are we then supposed to assume that he's suggesting Zealous benediction is overpowered in GVG or HA?

In which case, lol.

Aera · Oct 08, 2007, 10:40 PM // 22:40

just /close topic

the fact that he even considered moving ZB to healing shows the lack of pvp knowledge he has

Shendaar · Oct 08, 2007, 11:20 PM // 23:20

So basicly, your solution to fix the shitty attribute that is Healing Prayers(with the exception of a few skills) is to move one of the good Protection elite skill into HP. How bout making the HP elites not suck instead?

PP > HP regardless of which of them ZB is in.

freaky naughty · Oct 09, 2007, 10:01 PM // 22:01

Wait if we were to look at this from a PvP point of view this skill is almost useless. The only place I see it used are the competitive missions like Fort Aspenwood, and occasionally AB. This is almost never the case in GvG, HA, or TA.

ValaOfTheFens · Oct 09, 2007, 10:54 PM // 22:54

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Originally Posted by freaky naughty

Wait if we were to look at this from a PvP point of view this skill is almost useless. The only place I see it used are the competitive missions like Fort Aspenwood, and occasionally AB. This is almost never the case in GvG, HA, or TA.

ZB is useless in any situation with more than 4 people. Any more than 4 and your prot will be spread too thin to make a difference. I've seen ZB monks make the other team resign in RA and TA because they couldn't be killed. Its not as common as it used to be but it happens.

Div · Oct 09, 2007, 11:27 PM // 23:27

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Originally Posted by glountz

Buff Healing Hands to a 8 secs recharge so healing will have its nice prot elite skill like Prot have ZB its nice elite healing skill.
And add some direct cond removal in healing too.

Holy shit! That makes my uber warrior unkillable!

yum · Oct 09, 2007, 11:59 PM // 23:59

They should as well buff mending to 5 pips at 12 healing prayer!! so my echo mending build will be uber !!!

elektra_lucia · Oct 16, 2007, 08:11 PM // 20:11

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Originally Posted by Spazzer

Last year, we told you not to keep Zealous Benediction in Protection Prayers. Last year, we told you that nobody would use Healing Prayers if a megaheal was added to Protection Prayers. Last year, we told you that Protection Prayers was already more powerful than Healing Prayers.

This year, I'm here to tell you "I told you so".

Arenanet, when you changed Zealous Benediction from 0 energy to 3 energy, you didn't do the right nerf. You completely ignored the imbalanced part of this skill, and guessed about the reason it was so popular. By adding a direct healing skill (actually two, the other being Dismiss Condition) to Protection Prayers in Nightfall, you removed the only limitation a monk specializing in Protection Prayers had: being able to heal.

Please take this into consideration during your next skill balance. I remember a time when you tried very hard to get rid of another, less powerful skill combination introduced with Protection Prayers in a build we called "Boonprot". You've made a prot monk's self reliance and healing ability much better than it used to be, and they don't even need to sacrifice their energy regen.

You sound like a TV commercial. Bit like the news, they lie all the time too... That's exactly what you start off with, lies.

Boon protting was more common and in divine. ZB does not belong in healing in my opinion. It gives energy at low health. Sometimes in RA (which is the primary use for ZB at the moment I would say) someone else can heal just as you're about to ZB and you lose energy. It's conditional, which so often protection skills are.

If it is to be changed put it in divine. At least there the description mentions energy gain. It won't effect anything if you balance it right but it will make you happy as it won't be a false description, self-proclaimed by you I might add... It should not be in healing. Debatable that it is even a false description if you're to look up the words zealous and benediction in a dictionary. Not to mention the IN GAME description of protection prayers:

No inherent effect. Many Monk skills, especially Enchantments that prevent damage or ***__provide healing__***, become more effective with high Protection prayers.
Then you might care to look up the definition of protection: the act of protecting or the state of being protected; preservation from injury or harm.
Well it seems you prevent harm if you stop the player dying with it, yes?

You kind of had half a point. Especially if you were to say divine and not healing, but you ruined it with your nonsense to begin with.

Fail

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Curse You · Oct 17, 2007, 04:47 AM // 04:47

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

You sound like a TV commercial. Bit like the news, they lie all the time too... That's exactly what you start off with, lies.

Boon protting was more common and in divine. ZB does not belong in healing in my opinion. It gives energy at low health. Sometimes in RA (which is the primary use for ZB at the moment I would say) someone else can heal just as you're about to ZB and you lose energy. It's conditional, which so often protection skills are.

If it is to be changed put it in divine. At least there the description mentions energy gain. It won't effect anything if you balance it right but it will make you happy as it won't be a false description, self-proclaimed by you I might add... It should not be in healing. Debatable that it is even a false description if you're to look up the words zealous and benediction in a dictionary. Not to mention the IN GAME description of protection prayers:

No inherent effect. Many Monk skills, especially Enchantments that prevent damage or ***__provide healing__***, become more effective with high Protection prayers.
Then you might care to look up the definition of protection: the act of protecting or the state of being protected; preservation from injury or harm.
Well it seems you prevent harm if you stop the player dying with it, yes?

You kind of had half a point. Especially if you were to say divine and not healing, but you ruined it with your nonsense to begin with.

Fail

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Guess what? If you had bothered to actually read the other posts, you would have seen numerous examples of skills that don't fit into their attribute.

So:

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

Fail

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Yes you did.

Melody Cross · Oct 17, 2007, 04:57 AM // 04:57

Every time you necro a thread, a thousand puppies die...

Or lick themselves, I can't remember which

Snow Bunny · Oct 17, 2007, 05:01 AM // 05:01

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Originally Posted by Curse You

Guess what? If you had bothered to actually read the other posts, you would have seen numerous examples of skills that don't fit into their attribute.

So:
Yes you did.

P A N D A > You.

bungusmaximus · Oct 17, 2007, 07:08 AM // 07:08

Lol this thread still alive? What are these TA monks going to use when you take away their ZB? Every other elite gets more or less owned in there. ZB is just needed to deal with the huge pressure in TA, any other option will leave the monk energy-less in a very short time.

DarkGanni · Oct 17, 2007, 07:55 AM // 07:55

I still don't understand why ppl want to ruin what works good. Maybe it's just me but if the OP uses his brain he realises WoH would become useless. Close thread I see this going nowhere. Another bad idea.

- Ganni

elektra_lucia · Oct 17, 2007, 06:30 PM // 18:30

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Originally Posted by Curse You

Guess what? If you had bothered to actually read the other posts, you would have seen numerous examples of skills that don't fit into their attribute.

So:
Yes you did.

I was replying to the subject and not other skills. I'm quite sure there's faults with skills that don't fit in their right attribute; however, this thread is about zealous benediction. It fits just fine in protection.

Also, you contradicted yourself. If there are many skills which don't fit into their correct attribute then why change ZB and not them other skills first? :]. Now, just for you I am going to read some of the other pages and I'm sure I'll find more illogical arguments.

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Gift of Health is red bars go up so it belongs in healing. ZB is red bars go up so it belongs in healing.

Saying that ZB is the only effective 4v4 elite is wrong, as I can make an effective boonprot monk that will serve its function in 4v4. Saying that ZB does it better simply reinforces my point that it is much too strong in its current attribute.

Healing prayers description is not 'red bars go up'. At the moment I would like some oral secks. Healing prayers equals oral secks; however, every time you cast healing breeze I am not receiving oral secks. There is a problem here, it shouldn't belong in healing prayers!!!

See where I'm going with this? If you make up your own descriptions or imagine them, then yes MANY skills WILL be in the wrong place =D.

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Why? This was something that came up ages ago when Spirit Bond was introduced to the game. Spirit Bond does not deminish damage taken. Spirit Bond only heals. Its effect mirrors Healing Hands.

Oh is this someone elses idea of a skill that is in the wrong attribute? Well, this is a hard argument to counter isn't it? Healing hands heals you whether you take 1 damage or 100 damage. Spirit bond requires you to take 60 damage for it to trigger.

It is suited just fine in protection prayers.

Dismiss condition fits just fine because it works in conjunction with an enchantment which are generally protection prayers. Note I say : GENERALLY.

Before you start to use your wonderful mending as a counter to a debate....

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No inherent effect. Many Monk skills, especially Enchantments that prevent damage or ***__provide healing__***, become more effective with high Protection prayers.

:].

Today kids we will learn about the word especially....

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es·pe·cial·ly /ɪˈspɛʃəli/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[i-spesh-uh-lee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adverb
particularly; exceptionally; markedly: Be especially watchful.
[Origin: 1350–1400; ME; see especial, -ly]

—Synonyms signally, notably; mainly. Especially, chiefly, particularly, principally refer to those cases that seem to be significant. Especially and particularly single out the most prominent case or example (often in order to particularize a general statement): Winter is especially severe on old people. Corn grows well in the Middle West, particularly in Iowa. Chiefly and principally imply that the general statement applies to a majority of the cases in question, and have a somewhat comparative force: Owls fly chiefly at night. Crime occurs principally in large cities.

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adverb
1. to a distinctly greater extent or degree than is common; "he was particularly fussy about spelling"; "a particularly gruesome attack"; "under peculiarly tragic circumstances"; "an especially (or specially) cautious approach to the danger" [syn: particularly]
2. in a special manner; "a specially arranged dinner"